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It's not like people you're around for work or school
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A friend of mine asked me "but you know that Chinese people take care of their parents when they are older right? Do you not mind that?" and I just said that it just makes me more confident and feel safer that when something happens to me, noone will abandon me
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JGC
No no, that's exactly what I mean in terms of family providing community instead of church And yeah I'm the same way Which is why I like church and bible study etc
yes
10:56 AM
and in China that community support is also outside of your family
10:56 AM
people have no boundaries there at all
10:57 AM
So if you are in the train, a stranger will start talking to you, if you have a problem they provide support and advice, maybe offer help
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It's very strange!
10:58 AM
It sounds interesting indeed.
10:58 AM
It can be troublesome sometimes of course, in China the therapy is not about solving problems like no attention from parents, being lonely etc, it's about building boundaries haha
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Same in Taiwan If you have enough money, you can send your old loved one to a care home in Taiwan There, it's like 1:2 or 1:3 staff to client ratio In the US it might be 1:15 and even 1:6 would be considered amazing
10:59 AM
Jobs taking care of old people are just not seen as worthy here
10:59 AM
Don't make money
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Yeah
11:00 AM
The way that old people are treated on the west was making me insecure about my future
11:01 AM
Apparently retired people in China are the happiest people, especially that the retirement age is 60 for males and 55 for females
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Don't make much money in Taiwan either but it's a cultural thing Most women here I think would object strongly to the idea of that as their career, American values are different and taking care of people is increasingly dismissed as "real work"
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Everyone takes care of them
11:01 AM
There are people that organise dancing in parks or exercises and just invite all older people
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Yeah I've seen the videos of the old people playgrounds lol
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Haha yeah and it's happening everywhere!
11:02 AM
One thing that is in China though is that 1 child policy made this flood of single children that parents pay a lot of attention to and care about them a lot, spoil them, support them as much as they can etc
11:03 AM
or protect them and become a tiger parent to push them to succeed in life (edited)
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I was a bit worried that with that my partner would just expect to be spoiled by me, but in their case it works in a very interesting way
11:03 AM
their mother was very spoiling, but father came from the background where life was tough so was teaching about appreciating it
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so... I am spoiling them a lot because I care about them and they like it because that's how they were raised, while my partner learned how to spoil others from their mother, and I'm being very spoiled by them squee I felt so strange in the beginning!
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Hahah yeah
11:05 AM
My little high school girlfriend, it was so funny
11:06 AM
Her parents were very handholdy and involved and I got the impression her past boyfriends were too I am not at all and neither is my family
11:07 AM
She was always acting like I was going to pick a petty fight or assume I was angry and I'd be like "no lol what's wrong with you it's your choice/deal/etc"
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I was raised to politely ignore stuff to allow someone the space to sort their own shit out
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You're not eating? I'm not even going to address it. I know for a fact her mom hassled her at every turn for that- and even though my old gf bitched about it, she liked that attention and was confused why I didn't give it to her- even though she thought it was evil and even abusive of her mother to act how she did!
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haha
11:10 AM
It's hard sometimes to notice things like that and contradictions for yourself
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Yeah I'm kinda the opposite way You get to think the way you were abused is how you should be treated
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It's like she expected her partner to abuse her too.
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She tried so hard after we broke up to incite me to fight with her
11:12 AM
Texting me months after and shit I never responded lol
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Didn't block her either?
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She 100% wanted to retcon me as evil but I was very careful to not fall for it
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I think it is called contrast effect, when what you experiences as abuse is something you know, that gives you comfort and are afraid of changing, because something different is unknown and scary, so you don't change it
11:13 AM
that's why abused children end up in abusive relationships as adults (edited)
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Nah I was always a little worried the next text would be "Jamie I'm outside your house" and so I didn't want to block her in case I had to call da cops
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Some of them end up being afraid of relationships at all.
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I just want someone who ignores me, but also attention pls
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Hard to get both
11:15 AM
disorganised attachment style in a nutshell
11:16 AM
About attachment style, it's what I expected to change in myself by integrating with Luna who seems to be more secure than me.
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I get shit for how much I liveblog aka just tell about my day online I do that because growing up I literally never did, I never had the "tell me about your day" No one ever asks me how my day is or what I do or stuff like that But on the internet! Other people find the freedom to act out, get in fights they'd never do irl I act out and say what I had for breakfast
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I'm not sure if a different attachment style can be earned without another person being involved
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Sure you can Just literally pick Jesus as the person
11:18 AM
😂
11:18 AM
Personal experience
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but you still want someone who ignores you, but also attention pls?
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I'm not sure if a different attachment style can be earned without another person being involved
Well, I think it's my interaction with people that made me develop other attachment style under Luna's mask.
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Not to that extreme
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How is your current girlfriend like ?
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but you still want someone who ignores you, but also attention pls?
It kinda fits Jesus.
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No no, no current girlfriend
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It kinda fits Jesus.
hahaha
11:19 AM
true
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I broke up with her over the summer
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And yeah Jesus has been a great pick
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Oh ok I didn't know you broke up
11:19 AM
I think Mon gave a great point, Jesus will give you no attention in general but will give you sense of presence when you want it
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What? I get plenty of attention from Jesus
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I think Mon gave a great point, Jesus will give you no attention in general but will give you sense of presence when you want it
Yeah, that's what I had in mind
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JGC
What? I get plenty of attention from Jesus
yeah, just the amount you need!
11:20 AM
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I'm glad it works for you
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maybe it would work with tulpas as well
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Jesus listens everytime you talk to him and Jesus has nothing better to do than listen, Jesus doesn't get pulled away to go to work or slump over drunk Yeah lmfao
11:21 AM
You're telling me!
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Under that mask I just know how much I'm worth somehow.
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JGC
Jesus listens everytime you talk to him and Jesus has nothing better to do than listen, Jesus doesn't get pulled away to go to work or slump over drunk Yeah lmfao
Yes but that's what I mean, Jesus listens when you talk to him, it's not that he overwhelms you when you just want to be alone
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maybe it would work with tulpas as well
Tulpas talk back, too much attention for our Jamie.
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Yeah that's why Gavin gets the muzzle
11:23 AM
That's a joke if it isn't evident
11:23 AM
My brothers get sick of me sometimes too, because they are human
11:24 AM
Jesus is also human but also superhuman Superhuman to the point of not getting sick about hearing about the same shit day after day
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Can I ask how your relationship with Jesus works?
11:25 AM
I never understood that
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In the past I did go to Gavin about everything. But in his new life, he doesn't have that role because "you're an adult now" and we have some relationship problems But we still sleep in the same bed lol so we're ok
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when you say brothers do you mean biological brothers or Gavin and Cassidy?
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Always Gavin and Cassidy, they are my only brothers
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So Jesus is better than them for your needs because he only listens and doesn't judge you?
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Nah I'm under constant judgment from God, I get told no, I get told I'm not giving my best effort, I get told things I don't like to hear
11:28 AM
But God/Jesus always has the time to hear it
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so you are judged by God but understood and loved by Jesus?
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Jesus, for me and Cassidy, is the most approachable aspect of the Trinity aka the three faces of the god Yaweh This makes sense because Jesus is human and basically built to be that person you can form a human relationship with
11:31 AM
Gavin trusts Jesus but prefers to pray to the Holy Spirit, which do note is a who and a He, not a what or an it
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quite frankly I am starting to see how relationship for Jesus can be healing for you
11:34 AM
Maybe it's because a relationship with Jesus is a strict hierarchy, while he is a human, he's also always above you? Tulpas are more like peers.
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I've shown you net-burst before no?
11:35 AM
Shiiiit, it's a looooong rabbithole
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Seeing how my relationship has been healing for me.. healing is just happening automatically. I just feel my partner in my heart even when they are not around, their acceptance, support, this thing that makes my shame go away. When I revisit my memories with that, it's just so healing
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And yeah Jesus being above everything is nice
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It's so weird because I do feel them in my heart
11:36 AM
With this in mind I think I can understand how that works for you (edited)
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And detached while also connected It's like instead of dissociating I can give it to Jesus
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But it took so much work and effort to let the partner in into my heart
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